Toonbots message board: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON

Brother Emsworth Wed Apr 24 19:07:27 2002 ABE WAS I, ERE I SAW BELLBOYS ::wolverines leap joyfully on Napoleon's lap, slobbering profusely:: Hurrah, felicitous fate, capital, jolly good, and other expressions of approval and joyousness.

Tirdun Fri Apr 26 06:26:27 2002 Re: ABE WAS I, ERE I SAW BELLBOYS So.... _Napoleon_ was the Penguins?!? I guess I should let the butler out of that prison thingy I built in the guest room.

mouse Fri Apr 26 14:44:10 2002 Re: ABE WAS I, ERE I SAW BELLBOYS > So.... _Napoleon_ was the Penguins?!? OF COURSE napoleon was the penguins. it all fits together so well - the dreams of empire, the short stature, the formal wear - and napoleon spent all that time on islands, so even the fish craving thing makes sense. i knew it all along. > I guess I should let the butler out of that prison thingy I built in the > guest room. i don't see quite what your personal life has to do with this - i mean, as long as you pay the man, and he's a consenting adult and....oh, wait, i get it.

Brother Emsworth Fri Apr 26 15:57:20 2002 Re: ABE WAS I, ERE I SAW BELLBOYS > OF COURSE napoleon was the penguins. it all fits together so well - the > dreams of empire, the short stature, the formal wear - and napoleon spent > all that time on islands, so even the fish craving thing makes sense. i > knew it all along. Actually, while obviously Napoleon chose to pose as "THE PENGUINS" for a joke on this one occasion, she was pre-occupied when the "invasion" began. Recall her being mildly surprised when I brought the matter to her attention. Humble self has long suspected Michael, largely because of the swiftness in which "THE PENGUINS" received their own Jihad title and number ranking following their first post. > i don't see quite what your personal life has to do with this - i mean, as > long as you pay the man, and he's a consenting adult and....oh, wait, i > get it. My dear mouse, control your blue humour. Their are impressionable young wolverines present.

Michael Fri Apr 26 16:46:45 2002 Re: ABE WAS I, ERE I SAW BELLBOYS > Humble self has long suspected > Michael, largely because of the swiftness in which "THE > PENGUINS" received their own Jihad title and number ranking following > their first post. As I said elsewhere, 'tweren't me.

Eric Schissel Fri Apr 26 17:02:05 2002 Re: ABE WAS I, ERE I SAW BELLBOYS > As I said elsewhere, 'tweren't me. Elsewhere -besides- a comment to a little-known entry in my LJ, Mr. Roberts? URL given, I'll admit, in another thread here...

Emsworth Fri Apr 26 23:45:23 2002 Re: ABE WAS I, ERE I SAW BELLBOYS > Elsewhere -besides- a comment to a little-known entry in my LJ, Mr. > Roberts? URL given, I'll admit, in another thread here... Perhaps a vacation is indeed in order, when one reaches the point at which one views most things in relation to one's LiveJournal. :) (Though seriously, I probably *would* have wondered where else such a statement would have been made at that, so probably worth mentioning anyway, I suppose. Thanks.)

Eric Schissel Sat Apr 27 02:38:50 2002 SYOB LLE BWAS, IER EIS AWE... BA!! > Perhaps a vacation is indeed in order, when one reaches the point at which > one views most things in relation to one's LiveJournal. :) (Though > seriously, I probably *would* have wondered where else such a statement > would have been made at that, so probably worth mentioning anyway, I > suppose. Thanks.) No denying, a vacation or something like -is- in order. But I looked through the forum's recentness, anycase, and couldn't find any such denial, and ended up confused. Perhaps I just need to expand my searching. Perhaps he denied it in the Kspot fora, which I avoid nowadays and will continue so to do...

mouse Sat Apr 27 23:54:06 2002 Re: ABE WAS I, ERE I SAW BELLBOYS > My dear mouse, control your blue humour. Their are impressionable young > wolverines present. sorry, wolvies. see, i thought mr. tirdun meant he was playing a _game_ with the nice butler (sort of a dressup thing) - one of those boring games adults play. you don't need to worry about it. (sorry, emsworth - what can i say, it was friday and my brain was in free-fall.)

Brother Emsworth Sun Apr 28 00:37:57 2002 Re: ABE WAS I, ERE I SAW BELLBOYS > (sorry, emsworth - what can i say, it was friday and my brain was in > free-fall.) Well, I misspelled "there" in my post, so I suppose that makes us even. (Though I did think the comment spoiled the classic "butler did it" joke ever so slightly.)

Napenguin Fri Apr 26 23:34:22 2002 Re: ABE WAS I, ERE I SAW BELLBOYS > So.... _Napoleon_ was the Penguins?!? Napoleon was not the penguins. However, it amuses her to be them now.

Emsworth Fri Apr 26 23:57:21 2002 Re: ABE WAS I, ERE I SAW BELLBOYS > Napoleon was not the penguins. However, it amuses her to be them now. ::tosses fresh fish and boysenberry snow cones to Napenguin::

Napenguin Mon Apr 29 10:40:57 2002 Re: ABE WAS I, ERE I SAW BELLBOYS > ::tosses fresh fish and boysenberry snow cones to Napenguin:: HOORAY!!!!! If there were any justice in the world, that would be strikeout...

mouse Sat Apr 27 23:41:40 2002 Re: HONEST, ABE, I WAS > Napoleon was not the penguins. However, it amuses her to be them now. yes, you were. i proved it all logically and everything. and don't thing a little thing like innocence is going to disuade me.

Napenguin Mon Apr 29 10:59:10 2002 Re: HONEST, ABE, I WAS > yes, you were. i proved it all logically and everything. > and don't thing a little thing like innocence is going to disuade me. Bah. Don't make me defenestrate you.

Emsworth Mon Apr 29 11:25:44 2002 Re: HONEST, ABE, I WAS > Bah. Don't make me defenestrate you. Oooooh! It's been far too long since we've had a decent defenestration around here!

Napenguin Mon Apr 29 11:29:34 2002 Re: HONEST, ABE, I WAS > Oooooh! It's been far too long since we've had a decent defenestration > around here! As opposed to an indecent one?

Emsworth Mon Apr 29 11:39:30 2002 Determining decency of defenestrations, dash it. > As opposed to an indecent one? Ahem. I'm sorry, that one was my fault for opening the bathroom door too soon. However, back to the matter at hand. ::wolverines trot in, and replace existing window panes with decorative ones for the occasion, though Godfrey gets too close and must leap gracefully through it:: And I now have that "Gone Out the Window" song in my head again.

mouse Mon Apr 29 18:27:00 2002 Re: Determining decency of defenestrations, dash i > Ahem. I'm sorry, that one was my fault for opening the bathroom door too > soon. humpf - and you fuss at _me_ for my butler joke. > However, back to the matter at hand. > ::wolverines trot in, and replace existing window panes with decorative > ones for the occasion, though Godfrey gets too close and must leap > gracefully through it:: oh my - with all this, i feel far too humble to be napoleon's first post-hiatus defenestree....but if you insist. (are you _sure_ you don't want to be THE PENGUINS? they really were pretty clever. and i hate a mystery. although...that distinctive style of evolving rants....green ink......green jello.........hmmmmmm...)

Emsworth Mon Apr 29 18:56:09 2002 Re: Determining decency of defenestrations, dash i > humpf - and you fuss at _me_ for my butler joke. Didn't notice anything particularly off color there, just the simple fact that in situation comedy, particularly cartoons, not uncommon for a character to open a bathroom door only to have someone scream at the person in question. So "humpf" back at you, madam.

spinclad Tue Apr 30 01:36:47 2002 Re: Determining decency of defenestrations, dash i > Didn't notice anything particularly off color there, just the simple fact > that in situation comedy, particularly cartoons, not uncommon for a > character to open a bathroom door only to have someone scream at the > person in question. What? WHAT? ... You know I can't hear you with the water running. Oh. Scuse me. Me, I wouldn't call states of dress decent or otherwise; always we are clothed enough in atoms, fields, and glory. What is in our hearts, minds, and actions, on the other hand... may we polish the bricks of ourselves till they shine! The towel hangs upon the wall, and somehow, I don't care at all. The door is open. I must say, I rather fancy it that way.

NAPENGUIN Tue Apr 30 14:45:12 2002 Re: Determining decency of defenestrations, dash i > oh my - with all this, i feel far too humble to be napoleon's first > post-hiatus defenestree....but if you insist. Oh, I do. *performs the deed* > (are you _sure_ you don't want to be THE PENGUINS? THERE ARE NO PENGUINS

mouse Tue Apr 30 15:06:23 2002 Re: Determining decency of defenestrations, dash i > Oh, I do. *performs the deed* i am honored, madam! (bows, shakily) > THERE ARE NO PENGUINS (yeah, but there _were_....grumble, grumble)

mouse Thu Apr 25 12:10:37 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON humpf. knew it all the time. > So. Anyone miss me? well, yes, actually - good to see you back!

mouse Thu Apr 25 12:16:32 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON by the way - _is_ than ondine in the boxjam anniversary page? if so, congratulations! - if not - say, did you know there's a person who looks a lot like ondine on the boxjam anniversary page?

Napenguin Fri Apr 26 23:15:51 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON > by the way - _is_ than ondine in the boxjam anniversary page? if so, > congratulations! - if not - say, did you know there's a person who looks a > lot like ondine on the boxjam anniversary page? ...there's an anniversary page? I'm still at least six months behind on most of the comics I supposedly read, including the Doodle, so bork.

EMSWORTH Fri Apr 26 23:49:16 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON > I'm still at least six months behind on most of the comics I supposedly > read, including the Doodle, so bork. Failed to bookmark the page myself, sadly, and there no longer appears to be a link directly on the BoxJam site. Mouse, or anyone else for that matter, would you mind supplying the URL? Thanks awfully, old thing.

Emsworth Sat Apr 27 00:26:57 2002 Request rescinded > Failed to bookmark the page myself, sadly, and there no longer appears to > be a link directly on the BoxJam site. Mouse, or anyone else for that > matter, would you mind supplying the URL? Thanks awfully, old thing. Ahem. Forgot to check the "boxjam anniversary album cover" message. Never mind.

mouse Sat Apr 27 23:38:27 2002 Re: Request rescinded > Ahem. Forgot to check the "boxjam anniversary album cover" > message. Never mind. glad you checked that - i'd completely forgotten i put it there, and i don't have it bookmarked either. too bad - it's pretty funny. (i love the "original" boxjams - but can't remember - is that a boxjammian bird on the right? can't remember where i saw it before - i know he does ostriches...)

Emsworth Sun Apr 28 00:57:02 2002 Re: Request rescinded > glad you checked that - i'd completely forgotten i put it there, and i > don't have it bookmarked either. too bad - it's pretty funny. (i love the > "original" boxjams - but can't remember - is that a boxjammian > bird on the right? can't remember where i saw it before - i know he does > ostriches...) I'm sure that's supposed to be a Boxjammian bird, whether or not it's been shown in the strip before. Not a guest character, and besides that, note the thickness of the marker strokes. The same as those used for BoxJam and Co. as opposed to the different line thicknesses used for the cameo characters, even Charlie Brown.

Michael Fri Apr 26 00:49:50 2002 YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! > So. Anyone miss me? I did. A lot. *snif*

Eric Schissel Fri Apr 26 15:55:08 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON > I just caught up with the comic. And since I've decided to not bother > reading all those unread forum posts, then I declare myself caught up with > the forum too. > So. Anyone miss me? *boggles* I was _rather_ sure that mouse was THE PENGUINS, you know. (Hrm- where is that thread in my LJ... in my memories under World Domination Plots, I think...) And it would seem they did (miss you, that is); a sign of mature wisdom, of course, or else simple resistance to the notion of becoming one with the universe of all possible windows, and people thrown through same. *waves hopefullyconvincingly to THE PENGUINS*

Brother Emsworth Fri Apr 26 16:16:12 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON > *boggles* I was _rather_ sure that mouse was THE PENGUINS, you know. (Hrm- > where is that thread in my LJ... in my memories under World Domination > Plots, I think...) I believe this is the thread for which you are groping, sir: http://www.livejournal.com/talkread.bml?journal=malver&itemid=143942 Again, I say with a fair amount of certainty, Napoleon merely wanted to make a splash when returning. I'm reluctant to assume any hacking of this board, and keep in mind the fact that Michael is generally the one who alters ranks or messages or whatnot to suit his purposes, thus I remain convinced that it was he who was behind the whole thing. Plus it somehow seems to fit his sense of humor, and it isn't the first time he's attempted an elaborate joke, albeit fisrt by seeking the aid of of the Jihad (the whole wolverine escape thingummy, which looked like more fun than it was.)

Eric Schissel Fri Apr 26 16:56:53 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON > I believe this is the thread for which you are groping, sir: > http://www.livejournal.com/talkread.bml?journal=malver&itemid=143942 While I'm trying to cut down on my LJing- initially planned to be a vacation but I'm failing mis'rably at -that- - yes, it is. > Again, I say with a fair amount of certainty, Napoleon merely wanted to > make a splash when returning. I'm reluctant to assume any hacking of this > board, and keep in mind the fact that Michael is generally the one who > alters ranks or messages or whatnot to suit his purposes, thus I remain > convinced that it was he who was behind the whole thing. Plus it somehow > seems to fit his sense of humor, and it isn't the first time he's > attempted an elaborate joke, albeit fisrt by seeking the aid of of the > Jihad (the whole wolverine escape thingummy, which looked like more fun > than it was.) Though he denies it (see latest comment to that thread.) Agreed as to the rest. Can't quite shake the feeling that if I'd done more I might have helped make the escape a bit more fun alas :(

Emsworth Fri Apr 26 23:37:22 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON > Though he denies it (see latest comment to that thread.) Well, I'll take his word for it for the moment, but that aside, still doubtful that any hacking occurred. If Michael wasn't involved, presumably he would have noticed if his own board had been hacked in any way. Suppose he was just watching the board rather closely on that occasion, then, and as is his wont at times, he created a title for the pseudonymous personage. Disregarding Michael, Tirdun seems the most likely candidate, and he does have a history of using spoof identities on this board (notably Tammy Lewis, but a few others who I can't recall at the moment.) Even if he isn't or is reluctant to divulge any information in that regard, matters little at this point, the whole thing's over anyway.

Michael Sat Apr 27 11:43:48 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON > Well, I'll take his word for it for the moment, but that aside, still > doubtful that any hacking occurred. What hacking? Somebody just started using a different name. I figured it's Tirdun because he does that sort of stuff, but I didn't really care, because it was funny. If I'd cared, I'd look at the posting IP and subpoena the ISP in question (and woe the hacker who hacks from work.) Because if it had been hacking, I would have been some odd mixture of pissed and interested. As for pseudonymous titlage, I just modified the summary.pl that writes the table to add the penguins' title to anybody posting with a name in ALL CAPS (Emsworth, you triggered it last night; check the list.) I thought people would find that funny, but I don't think anybody noticed. But it's there forever now, so we can have pleasant reminders in the months to come. (And I was referring to my quick post on your LiveJournal, Eric.) I hope this clears up all outstanding mystery surrounding the Penguin Episode, except for the actual identity of the waterfowl in question, who shall remain nameless. Except for Alex Trebec. Who made a pretty good penguin.

Emsworth Sat Apr 27 13:21:58 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON > What hacking? Pardon, responding to earlier ruminations in M. Schissel's LiveJournal along those lines. > As for pseudonymous titlage, I just modified the summary.pl that writes > the table to add the penguins' title to anybody posting with a name in ALL > CAPS (Emsworth, you triggered it last night; check the list.) I thought > people would find that funny, but I don't think anybody noticed. But it's > there forever now, so we can have pleasant reminders in the months to > come. I noticed, and was mildly amused at the time, though I hadn't quite figured out that it only took caps to trigger it. > (And I was referring to my quick post on your LiveJournal, Eric.) > Except for Alex Trebec. Who made a pretty good > penguin. THIS FAMOUS TV QUIZ SHOW HOST LOOKS GOOD IN TUXEDOS AND LIKES YUMMY ARCTIC CANDY>

spinclad Sat Apr 27 22:40:54 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON > I noticed, and was mildly amused at the time, though I hadn't quite > figured out that it only took caps to trigger it. It was a distinct pleasure here just how accurate it was in its assignments. Until Fra Emsworth now though. Somehow EMSWORTH didn't quite suggest the peeking out of an invasion of <strikethrough> HOORAY!!!! </strikethrough>. > THIS FAMOUS TV QUIZ SHOW HOST LOOKS GOOD IN TUXEDOS AND LIKES YUMMY ARCTIC > CANDY> Now this... ALEX TREBEQ ONE SCARY DUDE, MAN.

mouse Sat Apr 27 23:30:38 2002 eclairs, maybe? my word, you all are chatty today. i hold with my assessment that it was, in fact, napoleon. i never seriously considered michael - he can be quick with a title when the mood strikes him, and that whole exchange was just too funny not to jump on. i did think he might have a better idea than he says he does about who it was.....this suggests the poster came from a widely used isp...(quick watson, the baedecker!) but the style of the messages (at least the first couple) - no, not quite him. emsworth has the skills to create something similar - but again, just not quite his style, i think. besides, there was a highly suspicious post on napoleon's forum (which i would cite, but i would have to go get the like, and it's too late to fight off popups). some of the later posts may have had other authors (and i agree, tirdun is a suspicious-looking character in this regard) anyway, whoever it(they) was(were), they were excellent posts, and it was a lot of fun. and now napoleon's back!! all new fun!

Emsworth Sun Apr 28 00:45:23 2002 Re: eclairs, maybe? >besides, there was a highly suspicious post on napoleon's forum > (which i would cite, but i would have to go get the like, and it's too > late to fight off popups). Napoleon responded *after* I'd informed her of the penguin thingummy and showed her a few of the messages. No doubt she merely wanted to encourage spinclad's undue paranoia for her own amusement. She hadn't had time to post to this board or any other boards at that period, lety alone assume an alternate identity. Agreed that it really matters little at this point who started it (though I notice that Col. Mustard, Raffles, and Prof. Moriarty have been curiously absent from the lists of suspects.) And appropriately enough, re-watched Nick Park's stop-motion Wallace and Gromit featurette "The Wrong Trousers," in which the villain was a penguin.

mouse Sun Apr 28 12:31:05 2002 but no oreos! > And appropriately enough, re-watched Nick Park's stop-motion Wallace and > Gromit featurette "The Wrong Trousers," in which the villain was > a penguin. i'd forgotten that (and i even own that tape - i love wallace and grommit!) - but it just supports my initial point, which is that Penguins are Taking Over (especially in comic art). it started with opus - now we have penguins as supporting players in such disparate venues as tom tomorrow and wildwood, to say nothing of such starring roles as pokey and todd and penguin. i mean, they're everywhere. Be Warned.

Emsworth Sun Apr 28 22:16:11 2002 Re: but no oreos! > i'd forgotten that (and i even own that tape - i love wallace and > grommit!) - but it just supports my initial point, which is that Penguins > are Taking Over (especially in comic art). it started with opus - now we > have penguins as supporting players in such disparate venues as tom > tomorrow and wildwood, to say nothing of such starring roles as pokey and > todd and penguin. i mean, they're everywhere. > Be Warned. Not exactly omnipresent, though, just slightly ubiquitous in some areas. Besides, penguins in the media are hardly a new development. Take Walter Lantz' Chilly Willy, for example, or the 40's Bob Hope comedy "My Favorite Spy," in which Bob's a vaudevillian with a trained penguin named Percy.

Emsworth Sun Apr 28 00:51:29 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON > Now this... ALEX TREBEQ ONE SCARY DUDE, MAN. Alex Trebek, he comes from Quebec, He's mighty suspect, that Alex Trebek Alex Trebek will get it in the neck, A bushel and a peck, For that Alex Trebek! Trebek, trebek, trebek in the saddle again! (And I now have mental images of "Star Trebek," So I'd best quite while I'm ahead.)

Eric Schissel Sat Apr 27 13:53:58 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON > As for pseudonymous titlage, I just modified the summary.pl that writes > the table to add the penguins' title to anybody posting with a name in ALL > CAPS (Emsworth, you triggered it last night; check the list.) I thought > people would find that funny, but I don't think anybody noticed. But it's > there forever now, so we can have pleasant reminders in the months to > come. Oh, that. Well, I noticed, anyhow... > (And I was referring to my quick post on your LiveJournal, Eric.) Hrm. A rare medium, well done.. erm, rather, one of those very rare occasions on which I find a guess of mine, thrown into the air, I know not where... bother. > I hope this clears up all outstanding mystery surrounding the Penguin > Episode, except for the actual identity of the waterfowl in question, who > shall remain nameless. Except for Alex Trebec. Who made a pretty good > penguin. Except for PENGUIN. (Model 0.0.) Or perhaps Adélie.

mouse Sat Apr 27 23:10:14 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON > *boggles* I was _rather_ sure that mouse was THE PENGUINS, you know. WHAT!!! how could you look at this sweet innocent face and accuse _me_ of being THE PENGUINS? i even _told_ you i wasn't THE PENGUINS! i am just crushed beyond belief. altho actually....given the sheer genius of some of THE PENGUIN's posting....(i really loved the rant on problems with the printers over the flyers)..... ok - i forgive you.

spinclad Fri Apr 26 23:11:33 2002 Re: THERE IS NO N.A.P.O.L.E.O.N > I just caught up with the comic. Yeah, this last week was hell. [[Ouch! Hey, Attila, I'm not being snide! There was a whole rhyme scheme to study, and a key song to research (not that I have yet), and ... and .. and something. ]] > And since I've decided to not bother > reading all those unread forum posts, then I declare myself caught up with > the forum too. *snf* > So. Anyone miss me? Damn straight. Where were you when we were fighting off the dread antarctic horde? I swear, we almost lost Jenn to them for a minute there... But hey. Welcome back! (If you can just hand me back a certain spleen... I was fairly attached to them atoms)

spinclad again Fri Apr 26 23:18:26 2002 Re: THERE IS NO N.A.P.O.L.E.O.N Jeese... what a grouch. Get some sleep already. Anyway, welcome back, penguins. It has been quiet here lately.

Napenguin Fri Apr 26 23:29:58 2002 Re: THERE IS NO N.A.P.O.L.E.O.N > (If you can just hand me back a certain spleen... I > was fairly attached to them atoms) MY SPLEEN!!!@!#!@

Emsworth the Spleen-less Fri Apr 26 23:54:53 2002 Re: THERE IS NO N.A.P.O.L.E.O.N > MY SPLEEN!!!@!#!@ The greenish spleen is probably unclean. (Da da dah, dada da da dah.) The GREENish spleen is PROBably unclean. (Da da dah, dada da d dah.) Now, where is that spleen? On a boat, in New Orleans! And why in New Orleans? To be served, in local cuisine! The greenish spleen is probably unclean! ::Gwendolyn cautiously disinfects all spleens prior to usage::

spinclad (after sleep; much better, thank you) Sat Apr 27 12:40:02 2002 Re: THERE IS NO N.A.P.O.L.E.O.N > > MY SPLEEN!!!@!#!@ Well, I suppose if it's gone greenish by now you might as well keep it. `Mine' by origin, yours by possession, alas. Though I thought a certain penguin that wasn't there might have had something to do with it. > The greenish spleen is probably unclean. (Da da dah, dada da da dah.) The > GREENish spleen is PROBably unclean. (Da da dah, dada da d dah.) Now, > where is that spleen? On a boat, in New Orleans! And why in New Orleans? > To be served, in local cuisine! The greenish spleen is probably unclean! (I think he's got it.) > ::Gwendolyn cautiously disinfects all spleens prior to usage:: VERY wise, in my opinion. Though most usage you might expect to be as a noun (singular or plural).

GOZER THE GOZERIAN Sat Apr 27 11:36:35 2002 THERE IS NO NAPOLEON ONLY ZUUL You're probably all too young to get this joke, except maybe mouse.

Brother Emsworth Sat Apr 27 13:16:58 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON ONLY ZUUL > You're probably all too young to get this joke, except maybe mouse. Well, now, I wouldn't say that. A reference to the first "Ghostbusters" film. Didn't recognize "Zuul" at first, only Gozer, but a quick google check confirmed it. Also certain advantages to having had access to The Motion Picture Guide and back issues of the Film Review Annual. Besides, the film was well within my lifetime and has aired frequently on television over the years.

mouse Sat Apr 27 23:01:35 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON ONLY ZUUL > Well, now, I wouldn't say that. A reference to the first > "Ghostbusters" film. Didn't recognize "Zuul" at first, > only Gozer, but a quick google check confirmed it. Also certain advantages > to having had access to The Motion Picture Guide and back issues of the > Film Review Annual. Besides, the film was well within my lifetime and has > aired frequently on television over the years. bless you, emsworth - i had no clue what the man was raving about. and hey, you, gozer - you callin' me _old_? just how old do you think i look, anyway?

Brother Emsworth Sun Apr 28 00:48:26 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON ONLY ZUUL > and hey, you, gozer - you callin' me _old_? just how old do you think i > look, anyway? Gah, now I have memories of ranting that MacKenzie Brothers' movie, "Strange Brew" (strange indeed, rented it largely because Mel Blanc had a voice-over in it.) Here he comes, here comes Speed Gozer, He's a demon on wheels, He's a demon and he's gonna be possessin' someone. You'd best be careful if you wanna stay alive, He's comin' at you at a quarter past five. Go, Speed Gozer! Go, Speed Gozer! Go Speed Gozer Go!

nd Sun Apr 28 11:27:22 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON ONLY ZUUL > Gah, now I have memories of ranting that MacKenzie Brothers' movie, > "Strange Brew" (strange indeed, rented it largely because Mel > Blanc had a voice-over in it.) Even stranger... Strange Brew is a not very subtle Hamlet, wherein the MacKenzie Brothers are Rosencrantz and Guildenstern.

mouse Sun Apr 28 13:15:36 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON ONLY ZUUL > Strange Brew is a not very subtle Hamlet, wherein the MacKenzie Brothers > are Rosencrantz and Guildenstern. *sigh* - _now_ i'm going to have to see this silly thing.

Brother Emsworth Sun Apr 28 22:27:51 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON ONLY ZUUL > *sigh* - _now_ i'm going to have to see this silly thing. It's still available for rental at many video stores, at least, and for awhile, Target had copies in their marked down video section for $5.99. The Motion Picture Guide sums it up with the following review: "Thomas and Moranis bring their SCTV comedy skit to the big screen with an equal amount of vigor and beer. While many of their television sketches lasted only a couple of minutes, STRANGE BREW drags them out to an hour and a half. Bob and Doug McKenzie do all the things they have done on TV - wear toques and plaid shirts, pontificate while under the influence of cheap Canadian beer, and call each other "hoseheads." No, there's nothing intellectual here- just a couple of likable fellows trying to stop power mad brewe Von Sydow from gaining control of the world. If you want intellect, go watch THE SEVENTH SEAL; von Sydow starred in that too, before he got big with Bob and Doug. Filmed in Hoserama."

Michael Sun Apr 28 22:31:38 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON ONLY ZUUL > *sigh* - _now_ i'm going to have to see this silly thing. ... Me, too. BTW, Emsworth, I had a very strange reaction to your mention of the "first" Ghostbusters movie. The second one sucked so bad even I didn't really remember it. The first Ghostbusters, though, I saw -- in the cinema -- 15 times. Ah, 1987 was indeed a wonderful year for me. I saw every movie that came out at least once. And Rocky Horror Picture Show some 19 times (probably only about 10 times that year, though.)

Emsworth Sun Apr 28 22:49:58 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON ONLY ZUUL > ... Me, too. > BTW, Emsworth, I had a very strange reaction to your mention of the > "first" Ghostbusters movie. The second one sucked so bad even I > didn't really remember it. The first Ghostbusters, though, I saw -- in the > cinema -- 15 times. Ah, 1987 was indeed a wonderful year for me. And, interestingly enough, it was not the year the film was released, either. That was 1984, apparently. Not sure whether the film was re-released to drive-ins or second run theares or whatnot, though. The cartoon series, however, went into daily syndication in 1987.

Michael Sun Apr 28 23:23:28 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON ONLY ZUUL > And, interestingly enough, it was not the year the film was released, > either. That was 1984, apparently. Not sure whether the film was > re-released to drive-ins or second run theares or whatnot, though. The > cartoon series, however, went into daily syndication in 1987. Ah. Indeed -- I was confusing its cinematic release with its cable run on HBO. D'oh. It was still in second-run for a while; I know I saw it 15 times in the theaters though (not just on HBO).

Emsworth Mon Apr 29 11:29:26 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON ONLY ZUUL > Ah. Indeed -- I was confusing its cinematic release with its cable run on > HBO. D'oh. It was still in second-run for a while; I know I saw it 15 > times in the theaters though (not just on HBO). As a final note, the role of Gozer was apparently played by a mysterious personage named Slavitza Jovan.

Emsworth Sun Apr 28 22:11:41 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON ONLY ZUUL > Even stranger... > Strange Brew is a not very subtle Hamlet, wherein the MacKenzie Brothers > are Rosencrantz and Guildenstern. Except they aren't beheaded off-stage at the end, sadly. No idea which character Max Von Sydow's character, megalomaniacal "Brewmeister Smith," was supposed to represent. "Hamlet" with hosers, hockeyplayers, and hootch. HOORAY!

nd Mon Apr 29 18:14:18 2002 *sigh* > Except they aren't beheaded off-stage at the end, sadly. No idea which > character Max Von Sydow's character, megalomaniacal "Brewmeister > Smith," was supposed to represent. "Hamlet" with hosers, > hockeyplayers, and hootch. HOORAY! Sydow's Brewmeaister was Hamlet's Uncle. The girl was Hamlet, and "Elsinore" Brewery was Elsinore Castle.

mouse Mon Apr 29 18:30:39 2002 Re: *sigh* > The girl was Hamlet ??? um - do i want to ask who was ophelia?

Emsworth Mon Apr 29 18:50:12 2002 Re: *sigh* > ??? > um - do i want to ask who was ophelia? Apparently the hockey player named Jean LaRose (Rosie), at least in as much as he was the romantic interest of Pam(let). He didn't die, though. I may need to rent that movie again to see if there's another possible Ophelia (certainly can't recall one), but perhaps we're trying too hard to fit characters exactly into the Hamlet pattern.

nd Mon Apr 29 22:30:13 2002 Re: *sigh* >but perhaps we're trying too hard to > fit characters exactly into the Hamlet pattern. I'm thinking maybe so.

mouse Tue Apr 30 15:03:35 2002 Re: *sigh* > I'm thinking maybe so. well - but surely that's part of the fun, twisting it all into a whole new weird shape (especially for me, since i've never seen the movie). let's see, who else to we need to drag in? fortinbras? the gravediggers? yorick! (let me guess- there was a moose skull in there somewhere)

Emsworth Mon Apr 29 18:43:37 2002 Re: *sigh* > Sydow's Brewmeaister was Hamlet's Uncle. The girl was Hamlet, and > "Elsinore" Brewery was Elsinore Castle. That can't be. The girl's stepfather was named "Claude," and the mother "Gertrude," so I assumed he was the Claudius figure. Suppose Brewmeister Smith might have been meant to stand in for Polonius (apart from the fact that the girl didn't kill him), but still not sure that he fits in so neatly.

mouse Tue Apr 30 15:01:13 2002 Re: *sigh* > That can't be. The girl's stepfather was named "Claude," and the > mother "Gertrude," so I assumed he was the Claudius figure. > Suppose Brewmeister Smith might have been meant to stand in for Polonius > (apart from the fact that the girl didn't kill him), but still not sure > that he fits in so neatly. if it was really a hamlet parody, claude should have been her stepfather _and_ her uncle - hamlet had no other uncles. but a brewmeister sounds like a more in-charge kinda guy than polonius was - if it was about beer-making, the brewmeister _would_ be king. don't suppose he was hamlet's real father? although i guess someone would have mentioned if he appeared only as a ghost....

spinclad Sat Apr 27 22:51:25 2002 Re: IT'S TRUE, YOUR HONOR... > You're probably all too young to get this joke, except maybe mouse. ... This man has no dick. (Line sadly emasculated the time I saw it broadcast.) Having seen this when it came out actually doesn't make me feel all that old, compared with the Graduate, or Cinderella.

spinclad again Tue Apr 30 01:06:12 2002 Re: IT'S TRUE, YOUR HONOR... > ... This man has ... We must both apologize for my alter's clearly off-color quote, and for any possible offense to Michael for the appearance that it were directed toward him. Such was certainly not the intent. We trust that any uproar and trauma among the younger wolverines may have healed by now, and will certainly pay for related damages to furniture, windowframes, gnawed limbs, etc.

Napenguin Mon Apr 29 11:27:57 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON ONLY ZUUL > You're probably all too young to get this joke, except maybe mouse. Too young nothin'. I even ripped off the idea of a demon in the fridge for a bizarre thingy I drew once (Ems, you might remember it... http://napoleon.xidus.net/artwork/niantg1.gif, niantg2.gif and niantg3.gif...).

Emsworth Mon Apr 29 11:35:25 2002 Re: THERE IS NO NAPOLEON ONLY ZUUL > Too young nothin'. I even ripped off the idea of a demon in the fridge for > a bizarre thingy I drew once (Ems, you might remember it... > http://napoleon.xidus.net/artwork/niantg1.gif, niantg2.gif and > niantg3.gif...). Actually, I had forgotten about that. "Mumble mumble ... stupid cloven feet." Ha! Also inordinately amused by the fact that the bag of chips is labeled "Chipz!"